file Just restored a 442-E-L that has the original lit sign and glass

2 months 5 days ago #6338 by Patrick Walsh
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  • I did a video and put it on YouTube. 


    Now, I don’t know anything compared to many of you, especially Dick W., so go easy on me if you spot a mistake. I did notice in one segment I had the bottom two printer rollers reversed!

    I have other registers and thought I was done buying any more (and so did my wife) but being a St. Paul native and enamored with the lighted top sign, I decided to go for this one. The deal I made was I would get rid of my less perfect or complete machines, so you’ll be seeing me list some parts in the near future.

    The video is done as mostly demonstration, with a few captions, and brief history of the original owner and a St. Paul beer called Yoerg’s. 

    I still have not perfected my bronze re-finishing...I look at how brilliant some of the club members’ machines are and just can’t get there. 

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    2 months 5 days ago #6339 by Todd Crook


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  • Nice job,

    I do disagree on the printer jam ups being a common problem. The first thing people want to do is blame the printer and I find 90% of the time it is something else, half the time it’s just a lubercation problem mainly with the indicators. 

    I am just curious, the recd on acct button is at an odd location, it is usually where the lunch button is just above the paid out. Does the display say recd on acct when pressed? What about when the lunch is pressed?

    it is a very nice machine with the extra indicator wheels, top sign, and a matching drawer tag. It turned out great. 
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    2 months 4 days ago #6340 by Patrick Walsh
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  • Thank you Todd,

    The Rcvd on Acct button rings as Cash on the top bar, and Recvd on Acct on the rollers with the clerk letter and the dollar and cents - Lunch rings as Cash on top and Lunch below.  I didn't notice, but that must mean the top bar must have two Cash sides and a Charge and a Paid Out side.

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    2 months 3 days ago #6341 by Lanny Evans


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  • I really appreciate the video. Great job. I have a non-electric 400 I am working on and your video has given me some information I needed. And the restore looks very good. I am good on the mechanics, just have little experience with brass restoration.

    Lanny
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    2 months 2 days ago #6342 by Patrick Walsh
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  • Lanny,

    Nice to be appreciated! 

    The biggest frustration in buffing out the highlights on the bodies of the large sections, which is where you really get a pop of shiny glamour, is the black residue that catches in all the pebbled surface areas.   I haven't found a way to avoid that happening - the polish and metal being removed create it - but to minimize it, slower buffing is better than high speed (the build up of heat makes it worse), and on the flat surfaces, more polish rather than less seems to help, along with frequent raking of your buffing wheel.

    To remove the residue, acetone works the best for me, but honestly for it to be easy, I would have to have a large tub full of it to immerse the whole piece and very gently rub it off; instead I do a section at a time, and after doing that, the pieces have less shine.

    This time around, I used sand paper up to a point, buffing (the white buffing compound delivers something like 9,000 grit), and then diamond paste on the flat edges.  The diamond paste (done by hand) was using 10,000, 14,000, 50,000 and 100,000 grit.  But the field areas of the large pieces are not as bright as I would like them to be.  It would be cool if a professional refinisher would spill their secrets - the results they get are clearly superior.

    Any parts or other advice needed, don't hesitate to reach out.

    Pat

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    2 months 2 days ago #6343 by Rick Petty
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  • I am not a professional polisher by a mile. I am getting better every time. What I use to get the polishing compound off is dawn dishwashing liquid. They even now have it 2xs the strength. I put the dawn in very hot water then I immerse the part in it and let it sit a minute. Then I take a nylon brush that is not very stiff and I start to clean the piece. I do it out side so I can rinse the piece off numerous times as I go. I have a clean towel to wipe it also. On the last rinse after I brush on it I blow all the water off with a air hose. This removes the junk from the dimples. 
    you just have to practice to find your own style. Hope it helps. 
    I agree that paint thinner dulls the shine. 
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    2 months 2 days ago - 2 months 2 days ago #6344 by Jim Sharp


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  • I am not a professional polisher either, but I gave up on acetone for cleaning early on because of the quantity required, the fumes, and the possible fire hazard. I have a laundry tub setup next to my polishing wheels and clean with Lime-A-Way, rinse with hot water and towel dry.
    I have also found that Lime-A-Way is an excellent cleaner for a cleanup or refresh of a register you do not wish to invest in polishing or plating but wish to upgrade or preserve as original.
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    2 months 21 hours ago #6348 by Patrick Walsh
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  • These are great tips - I will be happy to never deal with acetone again!

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    6 days 2 hours ago #6415 by Steve Sidaway


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  • Patrick I just wanted to say that I've watched your video on the 442 restoration a couple of times and that is truly a great job,
    I'm midway through a 422 here in London, UK, and your vid is going to be really helpful when I start to reassemble it, especially the printer section!
    Mainly I collect and restore vintage radio, record players, phonographs, electric clocks etc. I've done exactly the same trick with radio dials that you managed with the glass panel of the top sign when cleaning. Complete p-in-the-a......
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    4 days 18 hours ago #6417 by Patrick Walsh
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  • Steve - thanks! I certainly have learned a lot from the comments I got back. One is that I should have used quarter-sawn oak for the front of the drawer - by far the most pointed out item.

    The fully working printer is a separate follow-on video because it was such a project in itself. I struggled mightily until I re-watched one of Dick Witcher's videos and realized I was missing a very important small gear! My guess is someone got sick of all those receipts printing and removing the gear was how they solved it, not realizing there is an on/off knob.

    Once I had that, getting the timing, inking, etc. all worked out was pretty intense.

    If you need any 442 parts, let me know - I have an almost complete 2X printer (missing one small important gear ), and some other things. I am on eBay under pjw35.

    But more than that, any help or advice you need, let me know. If you send a message on eBay I will be more likely to see it sooner, I only check in here once in a while.

    Btw, my next project and video is an Edison Home Phonograph. I will not be refinishing any of it except the hinges, which are rusty, so I don't know if people will find it as interesting. Any advice on that is welcome!

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    Pat

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